Tiger for the pictorial! The 5 iron oftentimes the longest iron in the bag for most amateurs. Lessons!! Most golfers struggle to hit their driver as well as they hit their irons, which makes scoring very difficult — especially on courses with tight fairways. This is in spite of path and face numbers being similar and strike quality being the same (smash factor). means youre coming in too steep or youre standing too close with your driver since long clubs generally need a flatter swing and more distance from the ball. A common mistake with longer clubs is you don't keep your arms and hands as connected to your body. Shallow Angle of Attack / Fat Shots You may experience a shallow angle of attack along. You address the golf ball with a driver and lay it flat on the ground. How many times have you stepped on the first tee, put a peg in the ground, and just blindly smacked one. Do it from 5 feet to start. Players who hit their 3- or 5-wood as far or longer than their driver are typically using too little loft with the driver for their clubhead speed. Shot my first 100 in a few years. But while most golfers don’t realize that even pros miss 40% of fairways (yes, that’s right, they are failing almost half of the time), there is something amateurs can really do to improve their driving distance and consistency. This time lose the gate around the putter and create a narrow path with golf balls down the line. His angle of attack (AoA) with his 6 iron is -2.7 degrees, but gets much steeper (-7 degrees) with his driver. The goal is to get honest with yourself, pure and simple. When the driver is flat, the ball is in the center of the face. i can hit my irons well but i cant hit my driver cause i end up slicing every driver shot. Now can he grind with his coach to dial in his ball striking? At no point during that week is TW just winging it…so why would you? … Driver went away after 9 because it was awful. the ball begins its flight going straight but ends up tailing off to the right. There is no shortcut for a sound golf swing. Why? I’ve always felt that the club was too long and guess I hadn’t choked up enough. I understand golf better than I'm physically capable to play :). Now the million dollar question: How did you or how are you working on fixing this? So, the $1 million question: is Kevin capable of fixing his swing? I hit my irons well and fairly consistent,but whenever it’s the driver and occasional fairway wood I get anxious and I get inconsistent with my shots with these clubs. I'm glad I'm not the only one with the struggle! Swing it longer and more free-wheeling than the irons. Get a mat. Tom is also a Trackman University Master/Partner, a distinction held by less than 15 people in the world. He is a Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher, and has been honored as a Golf Digest Best Teacher and a Golf Tips Top-25 Instructor. Nothing like healthy competition amongst friends!. With irons you are trying to make a divot whereas with driver you aren't. Andy, I had always thought the same thing, but the lie board says differently. As you know both of these swing faults encourage the bottom of the arc of your down swing to bottom out before the ball. But for the life of me I can't get anything decent out of any of my irons on a full (or even 1/2 or 3/4) swing. Even practice for most becomes mindless. It’s also a good way to get that putter head tracking down the line. In golf, drivers and irons are used for what's called the "long game," which consists of hitting the ball as far as the golfer can to drive it closer to the hole. You're just standing too close to the ball. On a related note, your hands may not be ahead of the ball as much as they should be with driver. Below is a picture of the before and after numbers. Get in there via FaceTime or live in the house and compete. Make sense? Do you have any tips, or video links to cure these faults? The only time the driver comes in handy for me is for punching shots under trees. Problems With Hitting the Driver in Golf. The goal isn’t to become Ben Hogan though, it’s to raise that weakness to a manageable point where the things he does well can shine even more. So, to actually get better, every effort you make, whether it be a round or range session, think about where you want to finish and start planning how you will get there. I often find if I'm swinging inside out with driver on downswing that I extend to far ( releasing too early ) with my hands way too far from my body. As the AoA becomes more down or negative with the driver, the efficiency of impact decreases in the way of a lower smash factor, an overly high spin loft and increased ball spin. After mastering the hook you can change the amount of hand turning over in your swing to hit … How can I get my iron swing with my driver? 30 putts focusing on the roll and speed to start; you make what you make. My driver was great as well. That’s the core of his game. The change that is most important here is ball position. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Anytime there is a severely downward AoA and a big face-to-path relationship (and a ton of club head speed), golfers have a propensity to spin the ball too much. I gotta work on it. I just can't play to a fade or big fade off the tee due to the strike. It’s more than 4,500 rpm. This is because as spin loft decreases, the amount of curve administered to the ball becomes much more exaggerated. This can also cause golfers to hit the ball off the toe, invoking horizontal gear effect with the driver that helps limit a slice. Nothing like creating “have to” scenarios to build confidence. The face to path relationship on this left-to-right shot with the driver is extreme at 7.8, and whenever the face is well right of the path you will also tend to add more loft. But what was the plan? I address my driver in the toe as I end up a little forward (on my toes through impact) just not as noticable when you do it with an iron but also by the toe. Protect what you do well and get the sore spots manageable. Hmmm… at 5’8″, I think you would want a flatter lie , not upright. You also might be on your toes at impact, tough to tell without video. Why do I have the poor swing with driver and not with irons? I know ive got a solid swing, my 7 iron dispersion is that of a low single figure handicapper. If you watch Tiger on the greens before any round, he hits a ton of putts with his right hand to dial in his roll and release. It's killing me! This angle will not be that different than the starting angle but now the angle is more horizontal whereas at address you the angle is more vertical. Start addressing the golf ball with the club lined up at the toe with your driver (if you’re like most and rest the club on the ground at address), Try recording yourself, both face on and down the line with driver vs irons. All rights reserved. Or should Kevin play a more lofted, and shorter length club (fairway wood?) *10 putts left hand only, 10 putts right hand only. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I usually hit it straight as an arrow now, but only 200-240 yards. Accept the things that you may never have, i.e. Golf is chess, not checkers. Open your minds, folks! You can buy a driver that is the most forgiving one on the market. You can achieve one or the other by making just a couple small changes to your swing approach. I've helped lots of people for fun. Many common driver mistakes begin with golfers using the same approach to driver shots that they use for iron shots. It’s because the longer swing of the driver usually exacerbates most swing flaws. The television ratings must have skyrocketed this past weekend with Tiger’s son Charlie making his debut in the limelight and both he and Tiger making their debut in the PNC Championship. It may be a mess at first. Although hybrids are considered to be iron replacements, hitting them like woods helps some players. Like us, GolfWRXers love to see what the professionals have been using throughout their year on tour, and 2020 has... Mike Thomas WITB Driver: Titleist TSi3 (9 degrees) Shaft: Mitsubishi Kuro Kage 50 S 3-wood: Titleist TSi3 (13.5 degrees) Shaft:... Driver: TaylorMade SIM (9 degrees) Shaft: Mitsubishi Diamana D+ Limited 60 TX 3-wood: TaylorMade SIM Titanium (15 degrees) Shaft: Mitsubishi... Driver: TaylorMade SIM Shaft: Project X EvenFlow Riptide CB 3-wood: TaylorMade SIM Max 5-wood: TaylorMade SIM Max Irons: TaylorMade P7MC... Bryson DeChambeau watches on in awe at 302-yard 8-iron strike, How to select the proper tees to play from (What tees you should play from), The average driving distance for male GolfWRX members by age, The trailer for HBO’s new Tiger Woods documentary will give you goosebumps. Driving is my strength. The conclusion being how Kevin got better. If you lift the driver off the ground 1 inch, imitating the height of the club at impact, you’ll notice that this movement up naturally causes the ball to align closer to the heel. Also, the higher loft on the face creates more backspin which leaves less room for side spin, so even misses will go straighter. When swing speed picks up, path issues will also become more of a problem. Maybe Tom is writing that conclusion we all want. I'm not about compensating. Well, you can buy a driver that is very easy to hit. Without a video it would be hard to tell but you probably are making an iron swing with your driver. This all depends on your golf swing, of course. All your iron shots are hit off the ground, with the goal of making contact on a descending motion. The carry distances between his 6 iron (162.7 yards) and his driver (211.8 yards) are only separated by 49.1 yards, yet his driver swing speed is 14.6 mph faster. Let’s examine his iron and driver swings on Trackman. We get to the range and the ball is fading. So the first piece of advice to people that can hit their irons well but not their driver is to get the exact same shaft as is in their irons put in their driver. Required fields are marked *. In this article, I will help golfers understand why many of them are struggling with their driver and what they can do about it. As an example I’ll use Kevin, who recently came to me for a lesson. BUT I never use a driver off the tee because I can't shift my strike towards the toe more. You have to have a baseline shot to work off of to play well. A Guide to Golf Fitness for Average Golfers, Tom F. Stickney II is the Director of Instruction and Business Development at Punta Mita, in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (www.puntamita.com) I am fully out of things to try. Because of that, sometimes a simple setup change of starting with your arms a little more extended at address which forces you to stand a little further away is all you need to do. Irons can be “driven into the ground” with a steeper AoA and still be mostly playable… but not with the driver. Had lots of lessons over the past few years. Thanks, Tom, for all of the information, definitely helpful for why this happens. I am sick of penalty strokes. Good golf tends to get muddied up in one box—hit it long, hit it straight, make every putt, and card a ton of birdies. This means your driver swing should be different from the swing you use with your irons. Our family had a blast watching the mannerisms that Charlie displayed which brought us all back to Tiger’s heyday. I cannot hit my irons worth a damn. It’s not so much of an issue with the driver as you are hitting more up on the golf ball but for your irons it’s a death move. Oh, and about Charlie’s swing and golf game? Give me a driver or 3W and I am suddenly the king of outside in and struggle to keep the fade from being a big slice or a push fade. All else being equal, you’ll hit the ball farther with a driver than any other club in your bag. But if your hands aren't ahead of the ball at impact which with a driver is going to be much harder to do, you are effectively making the club longer. He’s a good player (about a 12 handicap) with a ton of swing speed (about 110 mph with his driver) that would help him… if he could keep his driver in play off the tee. But, I can walk up to a drive with 120 left to the hole and have no damn clue where my iron shot is going. The driver has been in the closet for nearly 2 years because I could hit my 4 iron farther so why waste the space in the bag. Range sessions mimic shots he needs to hit on the course, tee shots and approaches are thought out to mitigate any risk and at times, increase the odds of a low number. The full swing can be remedied with indoor fitting bays, practice sessions, etc. ✌ It's the only thing stopping my handicap coming down! It’s almost like this guy loses his mind when he gets his driver in his hands. The things he has always done well are wedge it, pound it, and at times make a ton of putts. In trial 2 (post change), we see an increase of 20 yards carry and 30 yards roll. Whether its thin straight, fade, draw, three quarters, whatever. Though driving irons are a tough club to hit they certainly reduce your risks of slicing and hooking compared to a driver … off the tee? I started standing comically far away from the ball at the tee, literally making heel strike impossible without tipping over forward. If you're a beginner or are starting a kid in golf, make it a key to hit the driver as far as possible. Exceeded expectations, in our book! I always wondered why at 5’8″ my irons had to be adjusted to 2* upright and why I hit my hybrids and fairway woods more off the toe. When I went to see him, he asked what my shot was. It depends on how Andy’s hands are at impact, some people go higher, some lower and how long his arms are. You want to manage exactly how far the ball flies and the direction in which it travels. This is 100% me right now. Punta Mita is a 1500 acre Golf and Beach Resort located just 45 minuted from Puerto Vallarta on a beautiful peninsula surrounded by the Bay of Banderas on three sides. You most likely are hitting your irons well because you hit down on them causing good compression. This explains a lot of my problems. Try recording yourself, both face on and down the line with driver vs irons. And how many times did you spend an hour trying to get “it” back? GOLF DRIVER AND IRON SWING Why can you hit irons but STRUGGLE with your Driver. Go find a PGA pro and take lessons, then practice as prescribed. I tend to hook most of the time and when I try to adjust then I fade it. Patrick Reed or Paige Spiranac: Who would you rather have on a GolfWRX podcast? Let me know if you find a solution! Thank you . Wunder: If I could build the perfect 2021 bag…it would be…. Most golfers struggle to hit their driver as well as they hit their irons, which makes scoring very difficult — especially on courses with tight fairways. This skill, also known as full swing, is essential to completing regulation holes under par, but oftentimes beginners struggle to … So do you need to change your swing dramatically from irons to driver in order to alter the way your center of gravity moves? As always great info Tom! All things being equal, the less loft you have the more the ball will tend to curve. For this test, I will be using a UDI 1 iron that measures 16 degrees as well as a UDI 2 iron that measures 18 degrees. I'm happy to provide swing review for you if you want. With your irons, when you lower the loft angle of the clubhead, you typically hit the ball farther. Over-the-top players also tend to raise the handle up through impact with their driver, holding the club face open. I am always tentative and tense whenever I hit driver. If you struggle with inconsistent ball striking with your irons and you have either the Early Release or Hanging Back swing faults then you need to continue reading because we may have the secret on how to strike your irons better than ever. Get to the core of who you are as a player. Imagine it this way. Tiger Woods said the ball position is the silent killer of your swing. You can have the good golf swing but not hit the ball well if … In my travels, I have heard three nuggets that glue all the world’s best together. Many times these golfers still have great control over their irons. Learn how your comment data is processed. Drivers have lower spin lofts than irons. The driver is a high-risk, high-reward club for many golfers. For example, Charles Howell III is perceived as a great ball striker, but the stats would say differently. Consider adjusting your stance so that the ball is slightly forward. Make every action mean something. Here is my own analysis of my own swing in case it helps. They are flying off the shelves, so go to PerfectPractice.Golf to confirm availability! Greeting from sunny Holland/The Netherlands. As an example I’ll use Kevin, who recently came to me for a lesson. Kevin’s driver shot curved offline much more, however. It may seem like a very general question, but in all honesty, there is a recipe that all great players follow. Im talking specifically to heel strikes really. Some golfers struggle to hit woods or drivers consistently. Kevin’s faulty pivot is causing his poor transition from the top, and as the club gets longer it allows him to move deeper into the backswing and turn his body more, which amplifies his flaws. That is if you’re doing the same thing that caused my heal strikes. The first 10 shots with each club were hit off a tee. COVID-19 had us all locked in at home, wanting to get out and play, and finally, we were able. There are many possibilities including. Sometimes, you get lucky and hit a good one, and sometimes you spray it. And 9 times out of 10 just doing this solves there driving problem. Best of 10, 20, 30 whatever. Hi David, Thanks for your question. Unfortunately, there isn’t a player on tour or in top amateur golf that thinks this…not even Bryson. As the swing gets longer, swing flaws have more “time” to get worse. IF YOU WANT TO GET BETTER AND STAY BETTER….THINK, THINK, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING…(Caps are because I’m yelling). If you’re struggling to hit the ball solid with your long irons, then by all means, play the ball in the middle of your stance or a ball or two forward of center, like you would an 8-iron. But it doesn't have to be that way. The other fun thing about irons is you naturally arent just trying to hit the ball as far as possible...you have more control needs, so your swing typically mirrors that. Sure. Amenities include two Nicklaus Signature Golf Courses- with 14 holes directly on the water, a Golf Academy, four private Beach Clubs, a Four Seasons Hotel, a St. Regis Hotel, as well as, multiple private Villas and Homesites available. Wish those clicking shank would voice their opinions so we could read their stupidity. For example: When Tiger plays the Masters, his whole week is centered around his plan. Of course not. Because of that, sometimes a simple setup change of starting with your arms a little more extended at address which forces you to stand a little … Both clubs are built to standard length (39.75 inches in the 1 iron, 39.25 inches in the 2 iron) and have Oban’s Kiyoshi Purple 100-gram hybrid shaft in stiff (04) flex. It’s not a recipe of hit balls, work on the short game, or even video work with a great coach. It is very common that irons are easier to hit due to the fact that they are shorter which makes them more controllable. And 9 times out of 10 just doing this solves there driving … He has a swing direction of -12.6 degrees and a club path of -7.8 degrees. Don’t hit the golf ball the same way you would hit it with a driver. Like most golfers, he is much better with his irons than he is with his driver. Golfers of all abilities struggle with how to hit driver. I can hit irons good but struggle with woods and driver.--David M. from Largo, FL . For your irons, you want control. His swing direction (-1.4 degrees) and club path (-0.7 degrees) with his 6 iron is very manageable, but with the driver it becomes almost unplayable. Your driver may be too lofted as well. Hit the hybrid like you would hit a fairway wood and not a long iron. The main reason why a golfer can’t hit their irons consistently is due to incorrect stance, poor contact with the ball, or using an iron that is too long or short for their height. Lie boards are useful, but if you get fit for your fault and get it taught out of it by a professional, you’ll need your clubs adjusting again! At his speed, he should be able to carry his driver around 276 yards. Thanks! They create more ball speed and usually possess the lowest lofts in the bag, thus they tend to move more offline than irons. This drill ensures that your eyes and hands are in harmony. In this article, I will help golfers understand why many of them are struggling with their driver and what they can do about it. 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